HC Reform passed the house, God help us all

I'm one of the few on the web who is against this health care bill.

Did anyone really pay attention, or do you just follow as you're told by Obama and Pelosi?

I've declared my official independance from either party a while ago since I think the republicans are a bunch of Rhinos like that "republican" from NY who dropped out of the governor's race... she was pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and fiscally liberal. Putting an (R) behind her name doesn't make her a true republican... The republicans have become a party of (insert female anatomy here. I'll accept boobs, and even the P and C words.)

Republican use to stand for conservative core values... Now they're just a tad right to liberal. (There are a few good'ins in the bunch like Wis. Representative Paul Ryan...) but those good'ins should break away and start a strong third party or throw out the Rhinos from the republican party.

I'll say this for most Dems, I don't agree with anything they stand for (the stimulus, pro-choice, the healthcare bill), at least they stand for something, unlike Snowe who claims to be a Republican but then supports democratic legislations that the majority of her constituants does NOT want...

But I digress...


and I think Liberals are just off base on many accounts to the detrament of the people... as seen by this stimulus that just put us a trillion more dollars in debt without having any positive effects on our jobless rate.

I don't like the republican party, I don't like the democratic party. So I don't believe either one when it comes to anything unless I do my own research.

In the early stages, parts of the HC bill were accessible to the general public. Because people started reading it, Pelosi passed a measure that stated NO parts of the bill will be accessible to the public. (Transparency for you.)

However, I got to read parts of the original bill before it was pulled. I also listened to what people had to say about the bill on both sides, including what President Obama himself had to say.

As early as today... the HC bill passed the house and is moving onto the senate.

what is in the bill?

By the democrat's OWN ADMISSION... they stated that the health care bill will cover 98% of Americans without health care. (BTW, it's not as cheap as ya'all think it's gonna be. For a trillion dollar bill to pass, it's going to hit in the pocket books of every american.)

For small businesses that can not afford to offer healthcare, or choose not to, there is a hefty fine.

for private citizens who can not get into a health care program due to costs or pre-existing conditions, but refuse to sign up for the government run option... there is a hefty fine. (past what someone in my situation could afford.) Can't pay the fine? You'll have to do the time (jail)

the original bill mentioned a tax increase of 2.8% on citizens who HAVE insurance they are happy with... but if it is not Obama approved... they will be taxed. So in otherwords, you can keep your doctors and insurance if you're happy with it... but we'll politely tax you into reconsidering.

This isn't made up... this is from the mouths of the democrats themselves.
There are many references to end of life care in the Obama bill. Obama has made reference to the fact that a doctor should have the right to tell a patient that a surgery is not going to work, and give the patient pain pills and end of life counceling.

here's an example of that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo

the woman's mother needed a pace maker, she was 100 years old.. she had a joy for life, but one doctor said she was too old and the surgery would be detramental. A second opinion got her that pace maker... AND SHE LIVED. She's now 105 years old.

Obama told her basically doctors have a right to say no and put you on pain killers instead of giving you potentially life saving treatement.

this is not the first time he has said things like this.

Furthermore...

Does anyone know the story of the woman from Oregon? Barbara Wagner had terminal cancer... and she was denied 3x for treatment she desparately needed to extend her life. She wanted to live, she pleaded for help with news orginizations to help her get the help she needed to live.

She was offered only 'comfort care' (end of life councelling) and phsysician aided suicide. (The suicide pill is actually less expensive than the cancer treatment, thus a way to cut cost.)

big bad pharmacuticals who want to steal our money and charge us horrible prices for our medicine, heard her story on the news, and gave her the cancer treatments FOR FREE.

She passed away shortly after however, because she spent so much time waiting to be approved by the state run healthcare (Which is VERY VERY similar to the health care being forced upon us...) that it was too late for her.

Hawaii, Obama's homestate, implemented a similar governement run health care plan in their state which is similiar to the one Obama dreams of passing for all the US.

It failed so bad, they ended the plan after 7 months.

Why do you think many of those with government run health care plans in their countries, come to America for treatment? Because costs have been cut so much to keep costs down... they are unable to buy the diagnostic equipment we have, they are unablet to afford the treatments available here in the US.

People need to understand... our system is very flawed and something needs to be done... and making sure everyone has health care sounds like a great idea...

but at what cost? Do you realize what cost you have put upon someone like my 95 year old great aunt? Like my diabetic grandmother? Like my cousin who currently does not have insurance and is happy the way things are? (he ended up in the emergency room with broken ribs... he had MRI's, X-Rays, CT Scans... the bill was well over $12,000. because he had no insurance and was laid off of work (so much for the stimulus plan saving jobs)... they had him sign up for a customer care program that would relieve some of the bill.

Normally they'd offer a payment plan on the discounted price... but because of his jobless situation... they erased his debt completely. $12,000 gone.

With the new HC plan... that kind of kindness will not be possible.

Now my best friend has a health care plan he's happy with that covers his wife and kids as well. It's expensive as all heck, but it's a good plan. Above all the taxes he and his wife already pays... they're going to be docked another 2.8% if the government decideds they do not like the plan they're under??

He expressed to me how he can't afford 2.8% more taxes. That seems like a small number... but if you only make so much money... it's almost like saying, 1000%...

also... I am ashamed to admit, I'm one of the 10.2% of unemployed. Do you think I can afford the fine that would be thrashed down upon me for not signing up to put my life in the government's hands??

And what will happen if my 95 year old aunt needs Chemo should she develop cancer? She's a spry old thing, she is sharper than I am, and I'm in my early 30's. She walks every day, she eats the right foods and she has a love of life. Her dream is to be the first in our family to make it to 100.

Obama's going to tell her to take a pain pill if her doctors (most of whom will be government appointed and know they have to cut costs) tell her chemo won't help?

Also...

if this bill is so spectacular... why haven't we been allowed to see the latest incarnation? Why has a bill been passed saying it is not accessible to the general public?

Did you know they held CLOSED DOOR MEETINGS about the HC bills...they wouldn't let the republicans in on the meeting... they wouldn't let the public know what was going on... so much for transparency and reaching across the isles.

When one republican senator came up with a good idea on HC, they basically told him to butt out. They always say "Where are the republicans and their ideas to reform HC?" When the republicans say "We have an idea" they say "We don't want it."

Did you know the majority of senators haven't even read the almost bible sized bill through? or that they had others read it for them and just summerize?

And

for all of you supporters of the bill... Do you ever think something has to be up when the MAJORITY of Americans do NOT want Governement run health care? We're not talking just about Republicans. We're talking moderates, republicans, conservatives, democrats, independants... If so many from EVERY party has reservations... somethings a miss.

There are 30 house democrats who are still against this bill.

We are at the highest record number of unemployment in 20 years... Obama's stimulus PROMISED that if we rushed it through like YESTERDAY... we wouldn't see passed 8%.

no matter what they say... the 10% jobless rate... and the fact I just got laid off as well as 10 others in my department due to cutbacks... is proof it's NOT WORKING.

We're suppose to trust a government who spent more money than we have available, knowing we were already in a recession caused by the previous government... and it was to our detrament.

I can talk about the "Jobs saved/created" lie, and how they turned 6 temporary jobs actually created into the fabricated 100,000 jobs... but that's for another time. This is about health care.

but now, we're suppose to trust our government who royally misjudged the economy and their TRILLION dollar stimulus plan.... with our LIVES? With a TRILLION dollar health care plan?

Do you supporters of Health Care reform REALLY understand what just got passed, and how it's going to effect those you want to help?

Finally

Did you know that over 40% of doctors are of the age where they can retire or take an early retirement... the majority of them have expressed that if this bill passes and becomes law... they will retire. 40% is almost 80,000 doctors. Can we really afford to lose that many?